Angry Mormon discusses LDS views of God - 11/08/2005

The reason that faithful Latter-day Saints cannot accept Evangelical-Protestant beliefs is simple, because your false god is a LOSER. I know this statement sounds UN-loving and harsh at first, but it's the honest TRUTH. Your "ABOMINATION" theology makes void the Atonement of Christ and the doctrine of Repentance. Sadly, according to your own beliefs, not everyone is going to be "SAVED." For you the choice is heaven or hell, and either choice you make is made from fear and ignorance. Ultimately, this means that your god is a SADDEST and a LOSER.
Obviously, faithful Latter-day Saints do not share your same dismal view of deity. I think it's truly a shame that you don't have a more clearer description of your Creator and the Plan Of Salvation.
As for Latter-day Saints, our LOVING God came to seek and save that which is LOST. For us, this happens to include EVERYONE. This is the reason we build Temples to the Most High God and send our missionaries into all the world. One-by-one, people are coming to a "KNOWLEDGE" of the TRUTH. Eventually all the children of God will be RESTORED -- Praise be to God!
Bills





CONTENDER MINISTRIES RESPONSE:


Hi Bills.  I see that rather than respectfully discuss anything of substance, you'd rather resort to a shouting match.  I'm not going to engage in such immature behavior with you, but I will address the points you raised.  Before I do, I'd like to caution you against blaspheming the one true God revealed to us in the Bible.  We will not be your judge, but someday He will.  You'll find He is very real, and definitely no "loser."

You raise some interesting points, the first of which I can't say I understand. Our beliefs are firmly established by the teachings of Scripture (that is, the Bible).  They in no way void the atonement of Christ or the doctrine of repentance.  In truth, they make more sense when viewed from a biblical standpoint as opposed to an LDS standpoint.  After all if you believe that everyone will be "saved", what need is there for repentance?  The fact remains that the Bible teaches that there IS a hell (Psalm 9:17; 55:15; Proverbs 23:14; Matthew 5:22, 28-29; 10:18; 23:33; Revelation 20:15; 21:8 just to list a FEW).  Even the Book of Mormon teaches this (2 Nephi 9:16, 19; 28:23; Jacob 3:11; 6:10 just to list a FEW).  The Bible also teaches that this is the destination for those who do not accept Christ.  Interestingly, even the Book of Mormon teaches that people will go to hell (see the verses I listed above).  Now I realize that it is accepted LDS teaching that there is no hell - just three layers of heaven and an "outer darkness" for the "sons and daughters of perdition."  However, this goes against the teachings of the Bible, and even that of the Book of Mormon.  Now the Bible tells us that we are all sinful (Romans 3:23, 5:12).  It also teaches us that the penalty of sin is death, and that the "second death" is hell -- the Lake of Fire (see the verses above).  This NECESSITATES the need for Christ's atonement.  However, we still have free will.  Jesus taught that while many would choose to accept the gift of his atonement, most would reject it (Matthew 7:13-14).  Jesus teaching here that the broad path which most will take leads to destruction, and few will find life by taking the narrow path contradicts your view that everyone will be saved.  As Jesus said, most will see destruction.  That's where repentance comes in.  We must choose to repent and place our faith in Jesus Christ, lest we travel that broad path to destruction.  It is true that Christ came to seek and save those who are lost, but it is equally true that He recognized that most will reject that.  If you argue that, then you argue the clear teachings of Scripture.  God is LOVING, so He desires that we all accept His gift, but He is also JUST, and will punish those who do not.

As for your temples, you'll find that they are not part of the new covenant Christ brought.  The temple in the Old Testament was the place where the priests could perform sacrifices in the presence of the Shakina glory of God.  Yet upon the death of Jesus, the barrier to the "holy of holies" in the temple was torn in two.  This symbolizes the fact that we can approach the throne of Christ without need of temples or priests.  If you read the book of Hebrews in its entirety, you'll find that there is no more sacrifice to be performed - the sacrifice of Jesus justified us "once for all" (Hebrews 7:27, 10:18).  There is also no need for priests, because Jesus alone is our priest.  You'll find that in Hebrews also.  In 1 Corinthians 3:16, Paul said, "Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" He reiterates the teaching that WE are the temple now in 2 Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 2:19-22, and other places.

No, the LDS doctrines fly in the face of clear biblical teachings, and often in the face of teachings of the Book of Mormon.  Our views are solidly based in Scripture.  Such as the belief that God the Son created the universe out of nothing.  The LDS Church denies He could do such a thing.  They believe He could only "organize" the matter. It sounds to me that the false god of Mormonism is the one that is dismal and weak.  The one true God of the Bible is great indeed!  Certainly not dismal.  While people are being deceived by the false gospel of Mormonism (Galatians 1:6-9), "one by one" as you say, people are leaving the LDS Church two-by-two.  We are often hearing from people who are realizing that they've been deceived by the LDS Church and are coming to know the true God of the Bible.  We give praise and thanks to God for that.  I suggest you look critically at the doctrines of Mormonism and how they stand against Scripture.  If you do so honestly, I think you too will someday join the ranks of those leaving Mormonism for the truth.  I pray that you will.

In Christ

Ben Rast
Contender Ministries