You should only quote from LDS Scripture - 03/23/2003

Your website is very dishonest. You say that no one can point out any errors. Your website has many quotes from Lds general authorities, these may even be accurate quotes. But what you fail to recognise is the fact that only the scriptures, articles in the Church magazines, General conferance talks, and books in the missionay library are official doctrine of The Church of Jusus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Only by using these sources will you be being intellectually honest. I will pray for you and for your spirit to except the fact that jesus is the Christ, and that the Book of Mormon is the second witness of Christ that all Christians should thrist after.




CONTENDER MINISTRIES RESPONSE:


Greetings Bryan! Thanks for contacting Contender Ministries with your comments. I'd like to address your comments if I may, and show why I disagree with you. You say that our website is very dishonest (yet you failed to specify what falsehoods are on our site). You also state that it is intellectually dishonest to quote from any LDS source outside of "the scriptures, articles in the Church magazines, General conference talks, and books in the missionary library."

First of all, I'm not sure what quotes you're referring to. I believe most of the LDS sources we quoted are available to view via the LDS official website, or are available for purchase from LDS bookstores (such as Deseret Books). We have quoted from the Journal of Discourses (LDS official source), the Articles of Faith (from the LDS Missionary Reference Library), the Gospel Principles (published by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints), and speeches by your apostles and prophets. If these official LDS sources contain information that is divergent from official LDS doctrine, I'd like to know specifically what has been retracted.

As a Mormon, I'm sure you agree that the official LDS perspective is that your prophets speak infallibly. If they don't, then they fail the biblical test of a true prophet. I know some people will try to discount errors spoken by the prophets by contending that if a prophet did not lead off with, "thus saith the Lord," then he is not speaking a prophecy and is fallible. However, J. Reuben Clark, a former member of the LDS First Presidency, said, "There are those who insist that unless the Prophet of the Lord declares, 'Thus saith the Lord,' the message may not be taken as a revelation. This is a false testing standard" (Church News 7/31/54, p.10). Brigham Young was so confident with his infallibility, that he said, "I have never yet preached a sermon and sent it out to the children of men, that they may not call Scripture" (Journal of Discourses 13:95).
In the wide world of evangelical Christianity, there is no overall hierarchy of leadership that maintains a tight rein on the doctrinal accountability of the leadership. It is up to Christians to act in the manner of the Bereans, by comparing what we hear with what is written in the Bible (Acts 17:11). The same cannot be said for the Roman Catholic Church, the Jehovah's Witnesses, the LDS Church, or large Protestant denominations such as the Presbyterians or Methodists. In those organizations, there is an overall hierarchy of leadership that maintains tight control over the doctrinal accuracy of the words spoken by their leadership. I agree that it would be poor scholarship to heavily quote Mormons that write in to us, or to quote LDS missionaries, or even ward bishops. Yet when a member of LDS church leadership (an apostle or above) says something without retracting their statement, or having it retracted by the seventy or the first presidency, then that statement has an implicit seal of approval by the church. The same can be said for official church apologists. Their statements, unless retracted, are implicitly approved by the church. That doesn't make them scripture, but it does make it official.

It is important for you to distinguish between what you may consider poor scholarship on our part, versus statements by the leadership of your church with which you happen to disagree. If you maintain that we are dishonest, please indicate to us which statements are false. We DO accept that Jesus is the Christ. We pray that you will accept the fact that the Book of Mormon is a second witness to nothing but heresy, and that it is exactly the sort of false doctrine Paul warned of (Galatians 1:6-11). May the Holy Spirit speak to your heart and mind, and open you to the truth of the gospel.

In Christ,

Ben and Jennifer Rast,
Contender Ministries