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The first two
chapters of Mormonism 201 were written by a man named
Steven Danderson. The subjects of these chapters correspond
with the subjects of chapters one and two of
Mormonism 101. It is clear
that Mr. Danderson excels in taking things out of context,
and his best hope for retaining credibility is that his
readers possess neither a Bible nor a copy of Mormonism
101. In order to provide the best rebuttal of his
writing, I will break it down with a quote from chapter one
of Mormonism 201, and follow it with my response.
MORMONISM 201:
"Their
[McKeever and Johnson] first fallacy is the use of
ambiguous terminology. They wish to confuse a differing
understanding of who God is with worshipping another god
altogether. To understand the tactic used by the authors,
consider the city of Cleveland, Ohio. One of the historical
black marks against the city was the pollution quite evident
in Lake Erie. Cleveland certainly became a different city
once the lake was cleaned up. By the reasoning of McKeever
and Johnson, one would conclude that Cleveland, Ohio became
Cleveland, Tennessee once Lake Erie was cleaned up."
MY
RESPONSE:
Cleveland
did NOT become a different city by being cleaned up. An
aspect of Cleveland objectively changed. This is a
faulty analogy. I have a better analogy. Let's say that
Danderson and I were talking about Washington. Danderson
stated that Washington is on the East Coast near Maryland.
It holds the Washington Monument, the Jefferson Memorial,
the White House, the Supreme Court of the United States, and
the United States Capitol. But I disagree. I claim that
Washington is on the West Coast, north of Oregon. It's a
vast area made of farmland, mountains, volcanoes, coastline,
and an interesting city with the Space Needle in it.
Obviously, we're talking about two different Washingtons.
I'm talking about the state, and he’s talking about the
city. Even though we both call it Washington, we're
referring to two different places. That they're both named
after George Washington does not make them the same. By Mr.
Danderson's logic, the Muslims worship the same God, even
though they reject the deity of Jesus Christ and believe the
Holy Spirit is actually the angel Gabriel.
MORMONISM 201:
"Secondly, the
authors beg the question by assuming that doctrines first
canonized in the Nicene and related creeds (with which
President Kimball profoundly disagreed) were entirely
biblical. Leaving aside the truth or falsehood of those
creeds, this reviewer has yet to read any biblical text that
equates nonbelievers in the creeds with nonbelievers in
Christ."
MY
RESPONSE:
First of
all, the doctrines in the Nicene Creed, etc. were not
"canonized." This would mean they were made Scripture,
which they were not. They were simply a summary of key
Biblical doctrines. Second, Danderson is very misleading
here. What he doesn't tell the reader is that McKeever and
Johnson simply listed five quotes by LDS leaders who
acknowledge that Mormons do not worship the same God
worshipped in Christianity and mentioned in early Christian
creeds. They were included in a section that started with "Despite
Kimball's claim, many laypeople in the Mormon Church insist
that the God they worship is the same God worshiped by
millions of Christians throughout the world. The problem
with this assumption is that it does not concur with many
statements made by the LDS leadership." Danderson
includes this quote, but does not go on to list the quotes
from LDS leaders that follow. If he had, he would have been
putting it in context and this is not what he wanted
to do. If you have a copy of Mormonism 101, I
encourage you to start at the bottom of page 23, and read
through to page 25. This will put it in context, and you'll
see Danderson is misleading the readers by his selective
quotation and erroneous summary.
MORMONISM 201:
"McKeever and
Johnson falsely assert, 'To be sure, historical Christianity
has never advocated the belief in a tangible deity.' Is
Jesus not God? Did the Apostles and others not touch Him,
after His resurrection?"
MY
RESPONSE:
Here he's
taking things out of context again, and creating a false
meaning. Let's look at this quote IN context: "To be
sure, historical Christianity has never advocated the belief
in a tangible deity. Like many other LDS leaders, Oaks
mistakenly assumes that a nonhuman God cannot be a personal
God. Numerous biblical passages definitively prove how God
desires to have an intimate relationship with humankind. In
fact, He gave His only Son to make it possible!" Now it
is plain to see that McKeever and Johnson were referring to
God the Father, whom Mormonism teaches has a body of flesh
and bones (a doctrine refuted in both the Bible AND the Book
of Mormon)1. Perhaps McKeever and Johnson could
have been more explicit in referring to God the Father as
the intangible deity. However, when read in context, their
meaning is clear.
MORMONISM 201:
"McKeever and
Johnson quote from Joseph Smith's eulogy of Elder King
Follett, yet they fail to mention Smith's quote of John
5:19, 26 where the Savior states that He can do nothing but
what He saw His Father do."
MY
RESPONSE:
Danderson didn't list the quote from the King
Follett Discourse, "We have imagined and supposed that
God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and
take away the veil, so that you may see." Nor did
Danderson quote the four Bible verses or four verses from
the Book of Mormon that all state that God is eternal
(without beginning or end) and unchanging. And rather than
encourage the reader to pick and choose two separated verses
from John 5, I would encourage the reader to start at verse
16 and read through verse 30. That's putting the Bible
verses in context, and you can see that this passage
teaches that God the Son and God the father are equal.
Jesus is simply stating that as God the Son, He is no
greater than God the Father. Once again, putting McKeever
in context and the Bible verses in context is not something
Danderson wants to do.
MORMONISM 201:
" 'God is
distinct from His creation and the universe. When
discussing the transcendence of God, we need to consider a
number of aspects. Not only is the 'person' of God unlike
human beings, but His moral character is also unique. He
is infinitely exalted above that He has ever created.' [Preceding
from Mormonism 101]
Leaving aside
their straw man implying that Latter-day Saints gainsay that
God is infinitely exalted above any and all mortal humans,
they ignore the Book of Genesis, which states that man is
created in God's image. Is it logical to think that man has
zero in common with the Creator who chose to make mankind in
His image?"
MY
RESPONSE:
Nowhere in McKeever's statement does he say that man has
"zero in common" with God. That's falsely ascribing a
statement to McKeever and Johnson that they didn't make. Is
it wrong to say God is "unlike human beings" or than He's
"unique"?! I hope not! The God I worship, the God of the
Bible, is very much unlike me. He is eternal, omnipotent,
and omniscient -- three qualities I don't possess. Also, we
must remember that being created in the image of God does
not mean in physical resemblance. First, John 4:24 tells us
that God is spirit (does not have a body). Numerous verses
from the Book of Mormon state that too. If we are to
conclude that God created us in His physical image, then is
God both man and woman, because He created both? This is,
of course, ridiculous. Mr. Danderson falsely ascribed a
statement to McKeever, and then seems to display a
misunderstanding of the "image" to which Genesis refers.
MORMONISM 201:
"The authors
implicitly criticize President Gordon Hinckley's quote of
Lorenzo Snow's couplet. By this, they ignore I John 3:1-3.
Do the authors disbelieve that Christians will be like
Jesus?"
MY
RESPONSE:
Danderson doesn't explain how McKeever and Johnson
implicitly criticize President Hinckley's quote of Snow's
couplet. How did they do so? By quoting him. Let me quote
them:
"In 1997 Don Lattin, a
journalist for the San Francisco
Chronicle, had the following
conversation with Hinckley:
Lattin: There are some significant
differences in your beliefs. For instance, don't Mormons
believe that God was once a man?
Hinckley: I wouldn't say that. There was a
little couplet coined, 'As man is, God once was. As God is,
man may become.' Now that's more of a couplet than anything
else. That gets into some pretty deep theology that we
don't know very much about...."
McKeever
quotes more of this interview, as well as a few others. He
illustrates that Hinckley is either ignorant of Mormon
doctrine on this point, or he was being deliberately evasive
with the secular media. This in no way ignores 1 John
3:1-3. Once again, I encourage you to read 1 John 3 in
context. Keep in mind that becoming like Christ does not
mean becoming the same as Christ. By Danderson's logic,
"behaving in a godly manner" must mean we'd have to create a
universe and worlds, because that's what God did. We are
God's children, but not in the same way that God the Son is
so referred. God the Son is fully God. We never will be.
MORMONISM 201:
"McKeever and
Johnson disdain alleged LDS disbelief in God's omnipotence.
Can God lie? If not, then He is not omnipotent. If He can,
why are there scriptures that state that He cannot? It is
only in this sense that members of the Church disbelieve
God's absolute omnipotence. Members of the LDS Church do not
question whether God is mighty enough to create the
universe, or to effect the Atonement."
MY
RESPONSE:
First,
God cannot lie because it is not in His
nature to lie. That does not mean He lacks
any ability to do so. It simply means it goes against His
nature. Second, if one reads the section called "Not
Omnipotent" on pages 35 through 37 of Mormonism 101,
you'll find that Danderson oversimplifies McKeever and
Johnson's point. There's a reason he didn't quote from this
section. McKeever and Johnson quote Mormon leaders who
limit God. For instance, the God of the Bible created the
universe ex nihilo (out of
nothing). But LDS Apostle John Widtsoe said, "God, the
supreme Power, cannot conceivably originate matter; he can
only organize matter. Neither can he destroy matter; he can
only disorganize it.... The doctrine that God made the earth
or man from nothing becomes, therefore, an absurdity."
This is not the God of the Bible, who can and did create the
universe out of nothing. Danderson's argument is
inaccurate.
MORMONISM 201:
"The authors
ask if it is the Church's position that God did not know
whether Adam and Eve would transgress His commandment. This
reviewer finds such a question rather ridiculous, since the
Evangelical interpretation of the biblical text implies that
the Atonement of Jesus Christ was an afterthought to undo
the ill effects of Adam's sin. The LDS position, most
succinctly stated in the Pearl of Great Price, is that God
counseled with His spirit children concerning the plan and
that Jesus Christ's Atonement is not 'Plan B.' "
MY
RESPONSE:
His first sentence is completely false! McKeever
and Johnson simply ask a rhetorical question, "Was God
really unaware that Adam and Even would sin and produce some
of the most evil offspring imaginable? Was God surprised
when the wicked citizens of Nineveh repented in the Old
Testament Book of Jonah, thus 'sidetracking' God's impending
judgment? Not at all." (pp 28-29). When this section
is read in context, McKeever and Johnson are explaining why
the Bible speaks of God as "repenting." It's an excellent
explanation if read in context. Danderson doesn't want you
to read that though. They do not ask if it is the Church's
position, as he claims. Furthermore, the Evangelical
interpretation he provides that implies that Christ's
atonement was an "afterthought to undo the ill effects of
Adam's sin" is an ignorant misrepresentation of
Evangelical Christian doctrine. God had foreknowledge of
all events, including the fall in the Garden of Eden.
However, that does not mean that sin is part of His plan.
Having foreknowledge of sin and rebellion is not the same as
condoning it. We all have free will.
CONCLUSION:
In his
conclusion, Danderson compares Mormonism 101 with a
failing college paper, with the failing paper coming out the
victor. However, Danderson's worst fear must be that his
readers actually have a copy of Mormonism 101 to read
in context what he has mutilated out of context. Rather
than call Danderson deliberately deceitful, a motivation I'm
not going to read into his rebuttal, I will instead simply
say that Danderson's scholarship and research are poor, and
a thoughtful reader would do well to read Mormonism 101
in context rather than rely on Danderson's fallacious
account.
NOTES:
1. The
Bible tells us that God the Father is spirit in John 4:24.
While the Book of Mormon is not considered to be Scripture
by Christians, it too teaches that God the Father is spirit
(Alma 18:28; 22:9-11).

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